New Owner of '13 Club with GWR Supercharger w/Moto-East tune

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New Owner of '13 Club with GWR Supercharger w/Moto-East tune

Postby Zaphod » Sun Feb 28, 2016 9:02 am

I just bought a 2013 6sp Club Edition. The Previous owner had installed at Rocky's Miatamotive A LOT of stuff in May 2015:

-GWR Supercharger with Moto-East Tune
-Moto-East CAI for the SC
-SpeedSport SL-1 Super Light Carbon Clutch and flywheel
-CSF Radiator
-IL Motorsport Competition Motor Mounts
-HardDog Roll Bar

The car also has:
-Roadster Sport Street Header, ceramic coated
-Roadster Sport Mid-pipe
-Roadster Sport Super "Q"
-Progress Sways
-Progress Springs

I have a few questions:
1) Will the Moto-East tune play nice with the exhaust, or do I need to have it tuned more? The exhaust was on the car when the SC was installed.
2) The descriptions on the exhaust pieces say not for supercharger use, this worries me a bit. Will I be replacing CATs constantly with this?
3) What maintenance is needed for the SC and motor? This is a DD and will see little track use.
4) Will replacement carbon clutch parts be available now that the this clutch is out of production?
5) How do I get to the air filter to clean/change it? Do I have to remove the bumper for that or is there another way?

Comments:

This car is absolutely amazing to drive. Power delivery is smooth and strong and the car handles great without feeling harsh. Future upgrades will be brakes, wheels, tires, and shocks when the OEM Bilsteins give out.
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Re: New Owner of '13 Club with GWR Supercharger w/Moto-East

Postby Brian » Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:35 am

The tune is tuned to that car with that exhaust....so certainly it plays well with that exhaust. Indeed the header with cat is not recommended for supercharger use because cat overheats when blow torch is set to HIGH, which it effectively is with supercharger. Nonetheless, in street use it still may last you several years, in track use that cat will die much faster. Maintenance is normal, with just small additions like an additional belt that will need to be changed eventually with the other belts under the hood but for 2015 install that's well down the road. I like to change oil after track days. That filter can be reached from below when time to clean, every 15k or so. For now I would just drive and enjoy.
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Re: New Owner of '13 Club with GWR Supercharger w/Moto-East

Postby Zaphod » Mon Feb 29, 2016 4:59 pm

Thank you. This car is SOOOO much fun to drive, my wife keeps steeling it! I just want to make sure I keep it that way for a long time. I will be buying spare SC belt to have on hand and a few other items very soon.

I have found that the TC cut is very abrupt and violent, so that gets turned OFF!
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Re: New Owner of '13 Club with GWR Supercharger w/Moto-East

Postby Zaphod » Fri Mar 04, 2016 5:03 pm

Brian,

Is it normal that my dash readout shows my mileage is approximately 50% greater than actual? The dash says I'm averaging 33MPG, but really I'm getting about 22MPG. I reset after filling up twice now, and twice I got the same results.
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Re: New Owner of '13 Club with GWR Supercharger w/Moto-East

Postby Brian » Fri Mar 04, 2016 6:09 pm

Yep, those mileage calculations are typically a joke on most cars.
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Re: New Owner of '13 Club with GWR Supercharger w/Moto-East

Postby Zaphod » Sun Mar 06, 2016 6:36 pm

It's unanimous. So far, my Wife Loves this car, my Mother, Father, Brother, and friends love this car too! Anyone who goes for a ride, drives it, get's near it, hears it, all leave grinning from ear to ear.

My mother was fun to sit next to while she drove it. She's not shy with the throttle; she even got it a little sideways. Mom hadn't driven a stick over 10 years, but she's still got it. So smooth you can barely feel her shift. She's waiting for me to go on vacation so she can borrow the car....I'm a little worried about what will be left of my tires when she's done with it.
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Re: New Owner of '13 Club with GWR Supercharger w/Moto-East

Postby Brian » Sun Mar 06, 2016 9:32 pm

That's a great moment with Mom, got to get that on GoPro!
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Re: New Owner of '13 Club with GWR Supercharger w/Moto-East

Postby Zaphod » Sat Aug 13, 2016 6:30 am

Hi Brian,

I'm having new problem (my first problem), the car now has 19K miles total on it. Here are the symptoms:
1. P0421 code has come up
2. Gas mileage has dropped from 22-24 to 17 -18
3. Tailpipes getting black
4. New Popping sound in exhaust when lifting off throttle
5. Puffs of black smoke when up shifting after accelerating hard.

I'm under the impression that the car suddenly started running rich given the above symptoms , plus I can smell it. I've made no changes to the car or gas used. It was running flawlessly until about 10 days ago, the change was sudden and seems progressive.

I've already data logged and sent the logs to Moto East with payment for an updated tune, that was over a week ago. I've not heard back yet, but I've noticed the above symptoms getting worse throughout the week.

I'm thinking that I'll have to replace the header/cat with a cat-less header and get your extended O2 sensor wire, then get a new tune done.

After this is settled, I'm considering upgrading to the 2.8 pulley but with this issue I have concerns about reliability. How fragile have past cars been with the 2.8 pulley?

One other question, using and reading about EcuTek, I discovered that my car might have more than one map in the ECU. I'm wondering if I'm on the wrong map. In holding the cancel button down the tach shows I'm on map 2. Is that where I should be? Since I bought this used, I don't have ALL of the info, but I was hoping you might have info since it was modified at your place.
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Re: New Owner of '13 Club with GWR Supercharger w/Moto-East

Postby Brian » Sat Aug 13, 2016 5:34 pm

Start with basics, pull and check plugs. In fact, plugs are cheap, start with replacement of the plugs. Inspect old plugs, looking fouled? All four look the same? If you do not know history of coils, might consider fresh set of those too. If that gets it running decent do a log for Mike.

You would need to ask Mike about what is in each Map, likely the only difference is that Map2 has more timing than Map1, for track days, etc.
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Re: New Owner of '13 Club with GWR Supercharger w/Moto-East

Postby Zaphod » Sat Aug 13, 2016 9:37 pm

The SC was installed at about 10K miles. I bought the car with 13K miles. It only has 19K miles on it now and ran flawlessly until about 10 to 12 days ago.

Could the plugs or coils be gone that quickly? It has only been street driven, mostly to and from work and a couple of light road trips. No track days, really no abuse. I'd think it more likely for the cat in the header to be toast than plugs and coils this early.

BTW, what plugs are recommended for the supercharged 2.0 and what gap should I use? I will start with plugs. Do you sell them?
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Re: New Owner of '13 Club with GWR Supercharger w/Moto-East

Postby blackone » Sat Aug 13, 2016 11:14 pm

Hi, Sorry to hear about your Issues. I understand what is happening and I can help you.
You also want to read this
http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=617734
I quoted you, I hope you do not mind.
Regards jay

Zaphod wrote:I just bought a 2013 6sp Club Edition. The Previous owner had installed at Rocky's Miatamotive A LOT of stuff in May 2015:

-GWR Supercharger with Moto-East Tune
-Moto-East CAI for the SC
-SpeedSport SL-1 Super Light Carbon Clutch and flywheel
-CSF Radiator
-IL Motorsport Competition Motor Mounts
-HardDog Roll Bar

The car also has:
-Roadster Sport Street Header, ceramic coated
-Roadster Sport Mid-pipe
-Roadster Sport Super "Q"
-Progress Sways
-Progress Springs

I have a few questions:
1) Will the Moto-East tune play nice with the exhaust, or do I need to have it tuned more? The exhaust was on the car when the SC was installed.
2) The descriptions on the exhaust pieces say not for supercharger use, this worries me a bit. Will I be replacing CATs constantly with this?
3) What maintenance is needed for the SC and motor? This is a DD and will see little track use.
4) Will replacement carbon clutch parts be available now that the this clutch is out of production?
5) How do I get to the air filter to clean/change it? Do I have to remove the bumper for that or is there another way?

Comments:

This car is absolutely amazing to drive. Power delivery is smooth and strong and the car handles great without feeling harsh. Future upgrades will be brakes, wheels, tires, and shocks when the OEM Bilsteins give out.
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Re: New Owner of '13 Club with GWR Supercharger w/Moto-East

Postby Brian » Sun Aug 14, 2016 6:21 am

Yes, if you foul a plug it goes from running amazing to suddenly running poorly because one cylinder not firing, dumping all the fuel down the tubes, putting black soot on tailpipe as you describe, killing gas mileage as you also describe. Likewise if coil failing. Again I suggest starting with the basics, if the tune already in there was working great before, it has no way to suddenly go bad, so I would check and likely replace plugs as first step...they are cheap and easy to change. Spark Plug gap to .032 and not the factory .054. That gap slowly opens with time... I like DENSO ITV22 spark plugs on this setup though each of the Tuners seems to have their favorite.

If fresh plugs make it run right again, then you need to chase what might have caused the plug fouling, by doing a datalog and having tuner look at the log.
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Re: New Owner of '13 Club with GWR Supercharger w/Moto-East

Postby Zaphod » Sun Aug 14, 2016 8:02 am

Just checked the plugs, no fouling, they all looked good but the gaps were a little inconsistent. I adjusted gaps to your recommendation and will order new plugs today. I didn't see the DENSO ITV22 spark plugs you recommend on your site.

I have to run some errands to day, so I'll clear the P0421 code and see if comes back.
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Re: New Owner of '13 Club with GWR Supercharger w/Moto-East

Postby blackone » Sun Aug 14, 2016 8:55 am

Brian wrote:Yes, if you foul a plug it goes from running amazing to suddenly running poorly because one cylinder not firing, dumping all the fuel down the tubes, putting black soot on tailpipe as you describe, killing gas mileage as you also describe. Likewise if coil failing. Again I suggest starting with the basics, if the tune already in there was working great before, it has no way to suddenly go bad, so I would check and likely replace plugs as first step...they are cheap and easy to change. Spark Plug gap to .032 and not the factory .054. That gap slowly opens with time... I like DENSO ITV22 spark plugs on this setup though each of the Tuners seems to have their favorite.

If fresh plugs make it run right again, then you need to chase what might have caused the plug fouling, by doing a datalog and having tuner look at the log.




Brian, this is jay From Tuning done right. The issue is the calibration!!!!!
Read this tread.
http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=617734

and this tread

http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=597598

Brian you need to know. Call me if you like.

All he need to do is post a data log! I will show you in 2 seconds that the Fuel Scale Change is responsible, and most importantly I will fix the issue! in 2 or 3 flashes
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Re: New Owner of '13 Club with GWR Supercharger w/Moto-East

Postby blackone » Sun Aug 14, 2016 8:59 am

Zaphod wrote:Just checked the plugs, no fouling, they all looked good but the gaps were a little inconsistent. I adjusted gaps to your recommendation and will order new plugs today. I didn't see the DENSO ITV22 spark plugs you recommend on your site.

I have to run some errands to day, so I'll clear the P0421 code and see if comes back.

I am not sure if you did not see my post, but I will try one more time.

Your issue is the calibration, You will be going around in circles looking for a mechanical issue. I can help you and I will do it for free, But I won't ask again. :D

Jay Tuning Done Right.
Here you will find what people who have been where you are said after I fixed the Issue

http://www.tdr-mx5tuning.com/read-what- ... ur-tuning/


And here you will find the explanation for why the fueling of your car has changed

http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=617734
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