PROJECT ND: Parts Development, Testing, Measurements, DYNO

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Re: PROJECT ND: Parts Development, Testing, Measurements, DY

Postby Brian » Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:57 am

The Chuckwalla weekend was mixed. Moments of fun, moments of frustration. The oil still 'eventually' gets too hot even with monster oil cooler we have in the car. Once the oil gets much above 230 F the very smart ECU starts to pull timing and the power gets softer and softer....and eventually limp home mode. I am starting to wonder if we can make a really fast boosted ND that uses the stock grille, real speed may require big grille, perhaps put our Carbon Miata grille back on soon. I admire more and more the work that Fiat did with the front of this car to create the Fiat 124 version with turbo motor, the Fiat has DOUBLE the grille area for good reason. Not sure what we try next, E85 would help a lot....

The good news is the aero is well balanced, we need more spring rate roll resistance but otherwise the chassis is ready to rock.
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Re: PROJECT ND: Parts Development, Testing, Measurements, DY

Postby ryanholt » Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:24 pm

Brian, wondering why you took off the Carbon grill?
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Re: PROJECT ND: Parts Development, Testing, Measurements, DY

Postby Freescopesdad » Fri Mar 30, 2018 7:51 am

Brian, I took your advice about adding an oil cooler to my ND for track days. Sorry you had the Mishimoto on 2-week backorder, but I found it on Amazon last week. At Thunderhill Wednesday, oil temps pretty much maxed out at 218-220, spiked once or twice to 225 in traffic but came back down with clean air. Ambient temperature topped out at 86 degrees, not the hottest we will experience up in NorCal, but a pretty good indication that this kit is effective. I also have the Carbon Miata grille which flows a little better than the stock grille.

Thanks for the advice to add this cooler for those of us who track regularly... :D
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Re: PROJECT ND: Parts Development, Testing, Measurements, DY

Postby Brian » Fri Mar 30, 2018 7:56 am

ryanholt wrote:Brian, wondering why you took off the Carbon grill?



Trying to make oil cooling setup that works with boost and stock grille, but going back to the Carbon grille may just be required. Ron's numbers above are about perfect, but no boost on that car. Add boost and we get beyond 230 too quick and ECU yanks timing, power gets soft, etc.
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Re: PROJECT ND: Parts Development, Testing, Measurements, DY

Postby Freescopesdad » Fri Mar 30, 2018 8:24 am

correct - no boost planned at this time. just having too much darn fun as it is... :)
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Re: PROJECT ND: Parts Development, Testing, Measurements, DY

Postby Brian » Tue May 08, 2018 10:22 am

New StopTech brakes installed for testing....

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And....I hate them. Not every new test product works out, on the site but will add my comments right now that strongly suggest these are for dedicated track cars...ONLY. Constant pad knock and rattle will drive most folks crazy, even the street pads have the worst pad squeal I have ever experienced. And for all that they fit just about no wheels other than 6UL... unless you add spacers because despite less rotor diameter the shallow hats and that chunky caliper comes so far out in the direction of the lugs.
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Re: PROJECT ND: Parts Development, Testing, Measurements, DY

Postby NathanD277 » Tue May 08, 2018 10:40 am

Yikes! Does Stoptech take improvement recommendations?
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Re: PROJECT ND: Parts Development, Testing, Measurements, DY

Postby Brian » Tue May 08, 2018 10:46 am

Yep, we will provide our feedback and product will improve. First editions of Stoptech kits for NA/NB had issues that cost our man Sean a track weekend, and yet our guys worked with them and improvements have resulted in updated kit now on Ryan's HyperMiata. So, we are not giving up....just not recommending first edition ND/Fiata kit at this time for anyone but hardcore dedicated track users. As for my cars....going back to Wilwood for now.
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Re: PROJECT ND: Parts Development, Testing, Measurements, DY

Postby Brian » Wed May 09, 2018 11:18 am

Transmission cooling air scoop...for track users!

Tested with our turbo ND.

Coming to the site soon. Similar for diff also coming to site soon.
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Re: PROJECT ND: Parts Development, Testing, Measurements, DY

Postby Brian » Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:24 pm

Turbo is OUT, Supercharger is back IN.

Supercharger back into the Race Blue ND for more testing. Reasons include AVO was talking about CARB certification but it has not happened, we are in California, so we are going to race the CARB setup. We learned a ton on the turbo setup, cooling challenges involved, etc. Going to apply those lessons learned to the supercharger setup and see how good we can make it. I don't expect to hit the 300 ft/lbs torque we got with the turbo setup but we don't need that much to win class with SCCA and have a blast.
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Re: PROJECT ND: Parts Development, Testing, Measurements, DY

Postby Brian » Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:02 pm

Side by side, our cut open of ND1 muffler and new ND2 stock muffler design.
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Re: PROJECT ND: Parts Development, Testing, Measurements, DY

Postby NathanD277 » Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:56 pm

Are you switching back to the long tube header and testing some more custom tuning with that on the Edelbrock?
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Re: PROJECT ND: Parts Development, Testing, Measurements, DY

Postby Brian » Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:51 pm

NathanD277 wrote:Are you switching back to the long tube header and testing some more custom tuning with that on the Edelbrock?


Initially focused on cooling mods that we developed with the turbo on the car, want to see if we can get the supercharger stable and consistent for track use instead of power falling off with heat soak post the first lap like we had at Laguna last year.
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Re: PROJECT ND: Parts Development, Testing, Measurements, DY

Postby Brian » Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:50 pm

Had a question about whether RoadsterSport Front Shock Tower Brace fits with Edelbrock Supercharger.

YES...it does.
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Re: PROJECT ND: Parts Development, Testing, Measurements, DY

Postby RainierG415 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:35 am

Hi Brian, I know your focusing on cooling at the moment. I’m wondering if there is definitive ceiling in terms of hp with the SC. I’m running your LTH with an E85 tune producing 180hp at the wheels. The turbos seem to kick butt on E85, but what about the SC? Someone on Miata.net installed a MiataSpeed custom pulley and was able to get more hp.
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